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                    <title>dugout654 on Step 1.  Acceptance</title>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2022 09:31:50 -0400</pubDate>
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                    <title>Caressa89 on Step 1.  Acceptance</title>
                    <link>https://www.naranonchat.com/forum/step-one/step-1-acceptance#p1618</link>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I'm so glad I found this site. I haven't yet been to a meeting but have found some relief in reading what others have commented and the different forums. I can't talk to anyone in my family and definitely can't talk to my boyfriend without him screaming at me about how I overthink and overreact. I'm totally lost and it's taking a toll on me. I'm becoming so emotional about this that I'm starting to believe he's right when he says I'm the crazy one. He's right when he says that I'm obsessed with his drug use and he's right when he says that I need to focus more on being a mom. I'm feel so embarrassed and guilty for where my attention has been. Anyways.... I'm excited to join tomorrow's meeting. See you all then.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2021 13:16:40 -0500</pubDate>
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                    <title>missz on Step 1.  Acceptance</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone use the chat room?  I’m still navigating the site but sat in chat but no one was there.  I need to start<br />
Moving through these steps as my husband has an addiction and it’s been a nightmare for 8 years.  I’m ready.  I’m miserable.  And I just lost most of my 40’s trying to fix everything that I can’t control.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2021 17:35:07 -0500</pubDate>
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                    <title>Marilyn22 on Step 1.  Acceptance</title>
                    <link>https://www.naranonchat.com/forum/step-one/step-1-acceptance#p1614</link>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>HI.....Read your posts, and understand so completely......I have enabled my son for so long....passing him money,...overdrawing my accounts.....just to stop his sickness, and anger fits.  I have been unhappy for such a long time.  It is now time for me to accept that I cannot change him and his addiction......he must want that himself.  But I must learn to not enable him.  It is so difficult for me to do......he comes to me sick and crying, and desperate.  He can work on me for days til I give in and get him some money.....And I live in fear he will overdose, or get hurt.  It is so hard for me to NOT help him.  I think there is something wrong with me, too.  I always give in.  I will keep going to the online chat meeting.....It really did give me some hope, which I have not felt in a long long time.    thanks so much....will keep coming back.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2021 17:25:46 -0500</pubDate>
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                    <title>AllisonJ on Step 1.  Acceptance</title>
                    <link>https://www.naranonchat.com/forum/step-one/step-1-acceptance#p1604</link>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it is almost like we become addicted to the chaos in our lives.  Unfortunately, we too, often have to hit a bottom before we finally seek help for ourselves.  I hope that you will find the support that you need to work through these difficult times and to be able to start to find the strength you need to move forward with your recovery.  There are many understanding and supportive people who attend our meetings and they are so convenient as we can attend from wherever we are.  Hope to meet you at one of them.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2021 18:05:27 -0400</pubDate>
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                    <title>Tam-Elis on Step 1.  Acceptance</title>
                    <link>https://www.naranonchat.com/forum/step-one/step-1-acceptance#p1601</link>
                    <category>Step One</category>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>We always talk about the addict hitting bottom but what about the enabler?</p>
<p>I hit bottom. My finances are in shambles. And I keep trying this way or that to solve problems only it doesn't work. And I keep feeling like I'm being mean and maybe I'm misjudging him. In order to keep myself from going back on my word to myself, I went hunting for proof of use. (Un)luckily, the proof was there. And just like that it hit me that I can't help my husband. He has to want to help himself. All my leniency, hope that he would do the right thing etc has only left me almost homeless. Dependent on the kindness of friends, family, my Faith community. And no one knows why I'm in such dire straits.</p>
<p>Or maybe everyone knows. Maybe my effort to keep secrets has been futile all along.</p>
<p>Anyway. I reached step one - powerless over the addict. And I'm suddenly aware how like an addiction it is to want to go back to the status quo instead of standing my ground and maintaining healthy boundaries that allow me to get myself on track.</p>
<p>I never knew it felt like a compulsion til I reached step 1.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2021 10:40:45 -0400</pubDate>
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                    <title>dugout654 on Step 1.  Acceptance</title>
                    <link>https://www.naranonchat.com/forum/step-one/step-1-acceptance#p1551</link>
                    <category>Step One</category>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Dreah, please check out our program and give it a try. you will learn so much and will help with your own recovery.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2021 11:07:54 -0400</pubDate>
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                    <title>dreah on Step 1.  Acceptance</title>
                    <link>https://www.naranonchat.com/forum/step-one/step-1-acceptance#p1543</link>
                    <category>Step One</category>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I only know now that I have no power over the addict because of going to Al-Anon meetings a few years ago because of the addict I had married. However, I feel as though I am </p>
<p>apart of a whole new so to speak ball game. I understand addiction is addiction but this addiction is killing me and destroying me more than anything. I understand this is my AH's </p>
<p>demon to bare but all my focus is on him 24\7. the constant worry and fear have completely controlled. He tells me all the time he needs to get off what he is on but can't do it </p>
<p>alone, I offer to help and stand by his side throughout the process and that no matter what I will always be here for him. I know I want sobriety mored for him than he does for </p>
<p>himself and that is not how it works. I need to get back into my 12 steps because once I had found out about everything that has been happening I have officially forgotten</p>
<p>everything I learned years ago. My AH will not speak to me about anything that is going on because I don't know anything so I have reached out to addicts in remission to help </p>
<p>me understand but now I feel it's time to speak with people who are also riding this roller coaster of scariness. I need to break down and speak with someone one on one who I </p>
<p>can tell my whole story to from beginning to end and how it all started and who will let me fall apart, scream and yell and fall apart into a puddle of nothing, because everyday I </p>
<p>put this face on like everything is great and perfect. No one in my family knows because well that goes with being able to tell my whole story.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2021 09:55:09 -0400</pubDate>
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                    <title>leftcoastannie on Step 9: Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.</title>
                    <link>https://www.naranonchat.com/forum/step-nine/step-9-made-direct-amends-to-such-people-wherever-possible-except-when-to-do-so-would-injure-them-or-others#p1541</link>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Step 9: Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.</p>
<p>Getting to the Ninth Step has not been easy. Many of us had a hard time seeing that we had harmed anyone. Our struggle with the physical, emotional and spiritual wreckage cause by addiction convinced us that others were the cause of what had gone wrong. Working the preceding steps helped us recognize our part in the troubles in our lives. In the Eighth Step we made a list of those we had harmed and became willing to make amends to them all. One name which may have been omitted from this list is our own. We in Nar-Anon often demand perfection of ourselves and are inevitably disappointed when we do not meet this impossible standard.</p>
<p>In essence, Step Nine is a forgiveness of ourselves, expressed to those we have harmed. Sharing our inadequacies and shortcomings with others will be easier when we fully forgive ourselves.</p>
<p>Step Nine is an essential element in our relationship with our Higher Power. It's not that making amends to others is a precondition imposed upon us by our Higher Power. If our Seventh Step request that our Higher Power remove our shortcomings is genuine, we will inevitably feel a deep need to clean up the messes we made.</p>
<p>Bringing ourselves to forgive is sometimes difficult; anger and resentment which may have been accumulating for years are powerful obstacles. Forgiveness is simply an acceptance of each person's humanity, including all the imperfections, and a release of the angry emotions which keep us separated from each other.</p>
<p>The Ninth Step directs us to make amends to those we have harmed. What does it mean to make amends? The dictionary defines amends as  "compensation for a loss or injury." This definition does not refer to apologizing or saying we are sorry, something we may have assumed was required by the Ninth Step. Changed behavior is a more sincere means of making amends.</p>
<p>We most likely need to make amends to the addict. Initially, this may be difficult to face. We have been through months and years of frustration, and are angry and resentful as a result. Yet these are the reasons these amends need to be made. Sometimes it takes the Higher Power to show us the means, the time and the place to do this.</p>
<p>We must be willing to make amends even where we fear others will be unable to forgive us. Sometimes we will be greatly surprised by the response we receive. Other times the relationship is beyond mending. Ultimately, the response of others is not important. The real work to be done is in ourselves. As we consciously apply the changed attitudes we have developed in the earlier Steps to the process of making amends, we will experience the rich satisfaction of forgiveness - of ourselves and others.</p>
<p>Who is amends for - me or the person I am making amends to?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2021 14:47:57 -0400</pubDate>
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                    <title>dugout654 on Step 1.  Acceptance</title>
                    <link>https://www.naranonchat.com/forum/step-one/step-1-acceptance#p1539</link>
                    <category>Step One</category>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I will never forget the 10 years of hell I went through trying to change my addicted son.  I was a demanding, manipulative angry father who was determined to cure and fix my sons illness. I thought I was always in control of his life and was never gonna give up trying to save him.  Today I realize I was 100 % wrong in how I dealt with him.  I know I only contributed to his illness, and realize now that I was also very sick.  I don't know how long I had been coming to Nar-Anon meetings before I accepted Step 1;  I was powerless over the addict and my life was miserable.  Sometime during those first few months I had been coming to meetings,  I was able to accept I was powerless over him.  What a relief!!!!!  I could not control his actions.  I was no longer responsible for his behavior.  I did not have to pay his bills, fines, bail or attorney fees.  All I could do was Let go let God, and turn him over to his higher power.  It was like the weight of the world had been lifted off my shoulders.  Life really started to improve for me as I could know really focus on taking care of me and getting better.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2021 13:21:27 -0400</pubDate>
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                    <title>leftcoastannie on Step 8: Made a list of all those we had harmed and became willing to make amends to them all.</title>
                    <link>https://www.naranonchat.com/forum/step-eight/step-8-made-a-list-of-all-those-we-had-harmed-and-became-willing-to-make-amends-to-them-all#p1537</link>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Step 8: Made a list of all those we had harmed and became willing to make amends to them all.</p>
<p>If we want to stop reading now, we should realize that the only physical action in this Step is the first part - “to make a list”. The second part, “became willing...” indicates that we’re ready for more recovery. If we don’t think we need to make amends for anything, we should look through our Fourth Step work again. Reviewing character defects improves the memory.</p>
<p>Getting this far implies that we now understand we may occasionally have been at fault. All we really need to do is give ourselves some quiet, private time to think about our relationships with other people. Of course, everyone’s list will be very unique, but there are some general guidelines that can be used.</p>
<p>The first name on the list should be ours. The shiniest haloes are above the ones who have hurt themselves the most. All in the name of helping our addicts, we have delayed or ignored our own health care, sometimes to the point of serious illness. We have canceled our vacations and dropped out of school. We have berated ourselves for not being perfect. We have scorned our own instincts and distrusted our own judgment. We have made ludicrous financial decisions. We have denied ourselves everything from flowers to new cars. Would we treat our best friends that way? No! We need to make amends to ourselves for simply not knowing how to cope with our situations. This is not to say that we should write off our mistakes, but we should acknowledge that we’re not perfect, we’re not mind-readers, and we’re not gods.</p>
<p>Who’s next on the list? Undoubtedly, the people who qualify us for Nar-Anon. Who among us has not been judgmental, antagonistic and insulting, or indifferent, manipulative and callous? Our behavior towards our “qualifiers” had not always been considerate and understanding. Speaking from experience, the people who are the nicest on the outside can be the most spiteful on the inside. Yet if we are honest, we will have to admit that many of our character defects were evident and even highlighted in our relationships with the addict.</p>
<p>There are many people who have been harmed as a direct result of our dealing with addiction. Did we ignore the needs of our children in our obsession with an addicted spouse? Were we angry and impatient with friends and relatives who tried to give us advice we did not want to hear? Did we cut ourselves off from others in an attempt to protect the secrets resulting from the addiction? Did we lie or engage in some form of illegal conduct in an attempt to cover for the addict? Clearly all who were affected by such behavior can be added to our list.</p>
<p>As we reflect further, we may conclude that we also have harmed people unrelated to the problems of addiction in our lives. Our character defects existed long before our involvement with the addict. We may list harms done to friends, relatives, colleagues… to people in all areas of our lives.</p>
<p>The next part of this Step is to become willing to make amends. Note: it doesn’t say make amends (yet), it just says to become willing. Granted, this willingness may not come easily. The best incentive will be to watch the progress of other Nar-Anon members who have already taken this Step. Without a doubt, the same humility necessary for the Fifth Step (admitting the exact nature of our wrongs) will be needed for true willingness to make amends. Amends absolutely cannot come from a heart still filled with resentment. The honesty and insight that has grown from working the earlier Steps may lead us to see that we can make little further progress without cleaning up the past by making these amends.</p>
<p>                                                                             “What?! Me, make amends? This is absurd. What about my<br />
		                                                             husband? He was the one who couldn’t finish college or<br />
		                                                             keep a job. He was the one hitting me when he got too high<br />
		                                                             (or too low). I was the one with the steady salary. I was the<br />
		                                                             one who did the chores. And it was my credit rating that was<br />
		                                                             wiped out by bankruptcy, thanks to his drug addiction.”</p>
<p>		                                                              “I never sympathized with his pain. I didn’t even try to understand<br />
		                                                              his problems. On a more subtle level, I started judging him and<br />
		                                                              other people, too. No one could compare with me and my dedi-<br />
		                                                              cation, my tenacity, my heroic martyrdom.”</p>
<p>		                                                              “I was the good one. I didn’t hurt anyone and I don’t have any<br />
		                                                              amends to make. Well, maybe I shouldn’t have called that drug<br />
		                                                              dealer a revolting worm, but he really asked for it. I guess it was<br />
		                                                              dumb to hit my husband back just because he hit me first. My<br />
		                                                              friends must have really been hurt when I stopped seeing them<br />
		                                                              because he didn’t like them. It was certainly wrong to lie to family<br />
                                                                              members to get money from them.”</p>
<p>		                                                              “All right, maybe I do have a list to make.”</p>
<p>Why do I need to become willing to make amends to all of the people I have harmed?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2021 12:54:15 -0400</pubDate>
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                    <title>leftcoastannie on Step 1</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi Hotpocket1,</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing. Your post is uplifting.  Often there is an expectation from families and friends of addicts that they don't have to do the work to make their lives better. Many come to Nar-Anon thinking their troubles are all the addict's fault. It is great to see that you are taking responsibility for your own life.</p>
<p>Hope you will continue to share more of your story.</p>
<p>Yours in service and friendship,<br />
Annie</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2021 07:16:28 -0500</pubDate>
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                    <title>leftcoastannie on Step 7: Humbly asked him to remove our shortcomings.</title>
                    <link>https://www.naranonchat.com/forum/step-seven/step-7-humbly-asked-him-to-remove-our-shortcomings#p1534</link>
                    <category>Step Seven</category>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Step 7: Humbly asked him to remove our shortcomings.</p>
<p>There are Nar-Anon members who will say that when they first read this Step they thought, “This one is for the addict, not me!” Because the Twelve Steps were adopted from Narcotics Anonymous some of us thought they were given to us in Nar-Anon just to let us know about one of the tools the addicts would be using during their recovery. We felt we could pick and choose the steps we wanted to use believing they could not all apply to us because we were perfect. But, after attending several meetings it dawned on us that we must also use all of the Steps, including Step Seven. This Step makes us realize that humbly means to yield our will to the Higher Power’s will. After this, we then must be willing to ask the Higher Power to remove our flaws.</p>
<p>Before Nar-Anon many of us believed we had no shortcomings. After all, we didn’t have a problem with drug abuse, the addicts did. Nar-Anon opened our eyes so we could see how judgmental, manipulative and self-righteous most of us were. We saw how we manipulated the addict through:</p>
<p>                                                        our money (“you’re not going to get my money to use for drugs”)<br />
	                                                our bodies (“I don’t want to make love to an addict:)<br />
	                                                our words (“I can’t talk to you and you don’t listen”)<br />
	                                                our negative attitudes (“I’m better than you because you’re an addict”)</p>
<p>We knew the best way to live, the right way. Our way was the only way.</p>
<p>Resentment, anger and fear were our emotions. There was no room in our hearts for tolerance, patience and good-will. We thought joy and happiness were not ours because of the addict. We blamed our unfortunate state of affairs on the addict. We believed we were justified in our judgments.</p>
<p>When we finally worked on Step Seven and asked the Higher Power to remove these shortcoming, we began to live a better life. We learned to be humble and admit our wrongs. We have found that we don’t know what is right for others. We are finding that many of us don’t even know what is right or ourselves. We learned healthier ways to express our emotions. We learned we do have choices. Our own joy and happiness is our responsibility.</p>
<p>Through changed attitudes we now know that just like the addicts, we must accept the consequences of our actions. As we use the Steps in our daily affairs we will continue to humbly ask the Higher Power to remove our shortcoming. Yes, we have shortcomings.</p>
<p>Can I accept myself, humbly, as I am, and give to my higher power the task of determining what and when to remove my shortcomings?</p>
<p>What does, “Humbly asked...” mean to me in this Step?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2021 06:58:57 -0500</pubDate>
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                    <title>hotpocket1 on Step 1</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
My life has been unmanageable. I admit that and accept it. I'm learning to take responsibility for what happens in my life. I am taking steps to find myself and steer my own life. It isn't easy, but the people on the journey with me give me strength and encouragement to push past the pain to keep growing.<br />
Thank you!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2021 05:04:00 -0500</pubDate>
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